You know, since this started over a year ago, Lance, I mean, I’ve been looking for a doctor—somebody to tell us what’s really going on.
And the ones that I have that are friends, they won’t say, because they’re concerned about their license. They don’t want to get kicked off wherever they work.
And I understand. I understand all that. But the majority of America is sitting at home tonight saying, “Would someone just please tell me what’s going on without it being something that’s all wrapped up in politics?”
Well, tonight you’re blessed, because on Flashpoint you’re going to hear from someone I heard the other day online: Dr. Peter McCullough. He’s a practicing internist, cardiologist, and professor of medicine.
He’s considered among the world’s experts on COVID. He spent the last year dedicated to clinical and academic efforts to combat the SARS COVID virus.
So would you welcome with me to Flashpoint, Dr. Peter McCullough. Thank you, sir, for joining us tonight.
Dr. Peter McCullough:
Well, thanks for having me on the show.
Host:
Yeah, all right. So Doc, knowing what we know now concerning children and those with comorbidity issues and its impact on those with COVID—should we again put the entire population under quarantine?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
You know, listening to your opener, I really sense a lot of tension that’s occurred certainly in the last several weeks across the country. And it’s even affecting each and every one of us personally.
These are my own views, and I don’t have any employment or affiliation with Baylor or Texas A&M. But just the same day that Baylor—Scott & White Health System, really a first-class organization—my wife and I are major donors to Baylor. I’ve been there for many years. I’m on staff at the facility.
The day they announced mandatory vaccination for the employees, they actually hit me with a lawsuit. And the lawsuit was summarized in the Dallas Morning News and basically implied that I’m a vaccine skeptic and that I’ve violated some form of terms of a separation.
And of course they didn’t do that. I’m here on this program, and any program, to really discuss the science and have a fair exchange of information.
Many times I’m brought on with other experts. And doctors need a free scientific discourse. That’s how we ultimately get to truth. That’s what you’re about.
And what we know with children and masking is that there have been 12 randomized trials. None of them show any benefit of public masking.
There’s been the DANMASK trial, specifically in COVID-19. They don’t work. I’m a doctor. I wear a mask at work and it’s reasonable—I think dentists, doctors, those working at close range.
But there’s no support for masking of children because they’re well, and we know that asymptomatic, well children—they don’t pass the virus to one another.
Host:
So let me ask you a real blunt question. The COVID and the measles, the common cold, the flu—it’s interesting to me that we don’t hear anything in 2020 about the flu virus, and we’re still not hearing about flu cases.
What’s the deal with that? Are we getting all this stuff all mixed in together and everything’s getting thrown one way or another?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
Well, we learned from the CDC this week, in the last few days, that the COVID testing—the PCR testing—had become so sensitive that in fact it was turning positive with the flu.
So unless a doctor specifically ordered a flu test and a COVID test, it turns out if someone had the flu, they would be incorrectly labeled as having COVID.
And so that was, in a sense, a misdiagnosis invariably of some flu cases as COVID. But in fact, they probably didn’t have COVID.
And so this is now—this application for supporting this test under the emergency authorization has been withdrawn.
Host:
There you go. Emergency authorization. That’s right where I was going next. It’s already been withdrawn.
You know, let me bring Lance in here. Lance, did you hear what the doctor said? I mean, there’s no—I never got—I was tested, I was around a lot of people that had COVID, and I kept having to go get a test, and they never test for flu. They test for COVID.
I mean, I’ve had all sorts of tests done over the last year. And now, you know, it really seems more suspect than ever.
Lance:
Yeah, well you know, the whole thing is getting to be suspect. But you know, with everybody suing everybody, this is the worst part.
You get censored on the internet. You get censored on the news. And so there’s this weird thing going on. I just want to call it out for what it is.
Instead of the free and fair exchange of information, what we have is an all-time record low trust in government—and the government insisting you trust them with jabbing you with some kind of a vaccine.
And I’m not even sure statistically that they’re giving the accurate reports on the bad side effects that are happening.
You know, 39 percent of Americans question whether the vote that happened with the president was even legitimate. And that’s based on The Economist magazine. And that’s largely a Democrat magazine. 39 percent.
How many people are going to trust the government when Fauci is talking about, “Well this wasn’t a gain of function. Not technically a gain of function, but maybe a little bit of a gain of function. But that isn’t what I authorized.”
Everything about this is a deterioration of confidence in government. And so I’m very glad we had somebody on tonight that—even if he has to, like, dodge, speak carefully—we got to get some information for the average viewer.
Because I myself am confused, and I’m a fairly educated individual.
Host:
All right. So Doc, take us through—let’s go back to the beginning. We kind of hit the—we kind of jumped ahead to the children.
But in what we’re dealing with—and I’ll get you to speak to Delta variant specifically in a minute—but with the COVID virus, which we are not saying—and everybody watching—we’re not saying it’s not real, OK?
So don’t post on your social media that that’s what I said. That’s not what we’re saying.
But what I want to understand is, this COVID virus, which now they’re saying was engineered in a lab—it’s almost common knowledge now in this.
What should the steps be? Do you agree with Dr. Fauci or should we be taking other steps? What should we be doing right now? If it was up to you, what would you say we had to do?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
You know, I’ve disagreed all the way through with the NIH and FDA, CDC staffers. I’ve testified in the U.S. Senate that our focus always should have been on early treatment.
Since about one percent of the U.S. population developed COVID, we should have had all our focus on the one percent—to treat them early.
Remember President Trump had COVID-19. He received state-of-the-art monoclonal antibodies and other oral drugs. He just breezed through COVID-19.
All of our seniors should have received that level of care. It was available. It’s still available today.
Seniors get no offering for these monoclonal antibodies. There’s no 1-800 number. There’s no public service announcements. Patients still to this day go untreated for days or weeks outside the hospital before they crash into the hospital.
Everyone should know that early treatment—drugs in combination to reduce viral replication, the inflammation, and the blood clotting—work.
I’ve published the two seminal papers that have proven that. It’s supported by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons and the Frontline Critical Care Consortium, American Frontline Doctors.
All of these organizations support early treatment. And if I was an agency staffer, I would have been really supercharging early treatment to keep these hospitalizations down.
We know this approach reduces hospitalizations and deaths by 85 percent. It does way more than ever wearing a mask or a vaccine.
Don’t forget—masks and vaccines have to be applied to the 99 percent of people without COVID. So it makes no sense to have a vast waste of resources when we could actually just focus on the problem at hand.
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Host:
All right, so you already touched on my next question, which was that we've been talking about the only thing with COVID—the answer to COVID—was the vaccine.
So we've got the vaccine, and you mentioned it. We never heard about a treatment. We heard about hydroxychloroquine, all these others, ivermectin. But the emphasis never seems to be on the treatment.
What treatment should we be looking at—especially those of us that aren’t 25 anymore?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
I’d go to AAPSonline.org and download the home treatment guide. It lays everything out on what drugs to ask for, how they’re used in combination.
Now, it takes a doctor to order them. And there are some national telemedicine services and regional telemedicines—the services that work 24 by 7.
One of the most popular ones is called MyFreeDoctor.com. And it is free. It operates as a charitable organization.
But we get these medications called in. And as you apply—after the monoclonal antibodies—you know there’s over 200 studies now supporting hydroxychloroquine, not alone but in combination with other drugs.
60 studies supporting ivermectin. We combine doxycycline or azithromycin—common antibiotics. We have aspirin, 325 milligrams, all the way through inhaled budesonide, supported by two trials—the STOIC trial and the PRINCIPLE trial—as well as wonderful observational data.
We use oral steroids—dexamethasone, prednisone, and hydrocortisone. We use an oral gout drug called colchicine. And then lastly, most importantly, blood thinners.
Many of your listeners have had a hip surgery or had atrial fibrillation, and blood thinners are not, you know, not strange to them.
We can use injectable Lovenox, as an example, for about ten days—sometimes up to 30 days in a senior.
But when we put these drugs in a combination—four to six drugs—we can actually carry even the highest-risk patient through COVID-19 at home, never go into the hospitalization.
So we slow down the spread of the virus, dramatically reduce hospitalization and death.
I’ve personally treated and advised on patients well into their nineties—with great success.
Host:
All right, Lance, did you hear that? He’s treated people in their nineties with great success. What do you think, Lance? Is it as simple as it sounds?
What’s the story behind this? I mean, break it down for the layman. Because it sounds to me like the solutions are there, but that somebody is incentivized to come up with an alternative.
And it looks like the pharmaceuticals are at the forefront of that.
Lance:
Well, the pharmaceuticals—you know, the pharmaceuticals that come to mind—have actually been underused, including the Regeneron monoclonal antibodies.
So you know, the United States government pre-purchased 500 million doses of these, and they lay on the shelves with really no promotion, no advertising, and no access.
So it’s not really pharmaceuticals. But I think the real competing product is the vaccine.
And we know that there is some overt conflict of interest, of concern—including the fact that the National Institutes of Health co-owns the patent for Moderna.
We’ve had several officials—Rick Bright and Stephen Hahn—who were, you know, working on the pandemic response as agency officials. They’ve actually gone to the vaccine companies and taken jobs.
So it seems like the conflict of interest has really been the vaccine and the vaccine program.
And it shouldn’t be. Vaccination should be complementary to early treatment. But we need to treat that one percent over the course of the year that have gotten sick.
We should never have left them without treatment. And we know vaccines don’t treat sick patients anyway.
Host:
Lance, did you hear what he said about the Moderna vaccine there?
Lance:
Well, I did. And so, you see, that was what I was getting at—that there’s some of these—some of these solutions are clearly incentivized in the face of others.
And I did not realize that we had so much on the shelf that wasn’t being delivered.
And so I’m worried about the interface of government and the pharmaceutical industry, because if they’re mutually working together, you have a very dangerous situation.
And in a sense, I think that Donald Trump—as much as I loved Donald Trump for his solution orientation—his rush to get to the vaccine stage put the engines in such rapid thrust that we didn’t really have a chance to get data on testing out how these vaccines were working out.
And I don’t think to this day that we’re getting the facts on them. And so there’s a real question of data.
And I have a question about this—this is the CDC Director, Rochelle Walensky.
She said today or yesterday, “In rare occasions, some vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus.”
“This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendations.”
But they don’t give any numbers. And they said that this was very rare.
But these decisions are going to affect 163 million Americans who are already vaccinated. They’re going to have to wear masks again.
Does the doctor have any thoughts on this? Like where is the data? Where do you get the data? Where did the government come off saying these things without giving data?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
You know, through May 1st—this is even before Delta—the CDC had over 10,000 certified breakthrough cases where the vaccine failed. And they were reported through spontaneous reporting systems through departments of community health.
So the CDC had 10,000 cases. They verified the patients were fully vaccinated—in fact, they got COVID.
And we know in that report that 9 percent were hospitalized and 3 percent died. So it looks like when the vaccine failed, even with the prior strains of COVID-19, it looked like the same illness.
Now that we fast-forward—the CDC after that has said that they’re not going to report any more vaccine failure cases.
They’re not going to. It’s too labor-intensive.
So the CDC makes an assumption that when patients get COVID-19, they’re all unvaccinated, because they don’t have a way of ascertaining their vaccination status.
So that’s led to this false narrative that this is a crisis of the unvaccinated—or that 99 percent—
Host:
OK, wait a minute. Dr. McCullough, you lost us. Back on—they’re not going to report any more vaccine failures?
Did I understand you correct?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
That’s right. That’s about May 1st that the CDC made that announcement.
And part of it is because it was too labor-intense. When someone gets a COVID-19 test and that gets reported through the data systems, the person who’s getting the COVID-19 test—there’s no checkbox that checks if they’ve been vaccinated or not.
So anybody listening to this who’s been vaccinated and subsequently had a COVID-19 test—no one’s asking the question.
So it’s not recorded.
Host:
This is crazy. Wow. Dr. McCullough, we’re going to have to get you back.
In fact, we’re working on a little programming note here, Lance—we’re going to work on a whole COVID special here to air on Victory Channel.
But on Flashpoint, Dr. McCullough, I’ve only got a few more minutes. I don’t want to go to any of the roll-ins. I want to keep going because this is—wow. This is crazy. Can you imagine that?
Let me address that CDC statement about spreading—about vaccinated patients actually contracting Delta.
We had some hints that this could happen, because Delta was on the rise and there was a wedding in Houston where everyone had to be vaccinated. Some people left and they developed COVID.
Then we had the Democratic flight from Texas to Washington. Everyone was vaccinated—the legislative personnel. And in fact, some people got COVID. Kamala Harris had to scramble to Walter Reed.
And then we had the British naval vessel—3,700 fully vaccinated sailors. And they go out in the Mediterranean. It turns out they stop at one of the islands.
But sure enough, a hundred of those kids get COVID.
And so an important report from Baylor in Houston by Fahrenholt and colleagues indeed showed that a fully vaccinated person can actually get the Delta virus, carry it, and then pass it to somebody else.
So this is a worrisome development.
The vaccines are not going to be foolproof.
I think there’s a great hope that the vaccines are going to save us now.
If we go on a mad rush to vaccinate individuals—and I can tell you the data suggests that’s not going to be the case.
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Host:
So let me get this right. So if I was vaccinated, I may carry the Delta variant and give it to somebody else.
But theoretically, if I’m not given the right test, I would show that I’m OK—I’m not carrying a virus?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
The test would still detect COVID. And if you were at a certain lab, they could actually, for science reasons, see this Delta.
But I can tell you—we’re approaching nearly 100 percent Delta. So I can tell you that’s going to be the case.
But we have important data. We have important data from Israel, right up to July 24th now, where they have over 5,000 cases of COVID-19. And they were at a low baseline of 1,000 cases, but they’re at 5,000 cases in a week.
Eighty-four percent have been fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.
So it’s fairly clear that the Pfizer vaccine is no longer protecting individuals from— And the Israelis are fairly reporting vaccine failures in vaccinated and unvaccinated cases.
Host:
What about the severity of Delta compared to the COVID that we’ve had to deal with?
Is Delta variant worse? Is it more virile? I mean, what’s the comparison there?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
It’s the most heavily mutated spike protein so far, and it’s basically escaping the effect of the antibodies of the vaccine.
But because it’s so heavily mutated, it’s actually less dangerous.
So Delta cases—and this has been my experience in practice right now—are pretty easy to treat.
I have seniors with Delta. We’re using the typical drugs that we use in combination.
Large medical centers that used to have, you know, 300 cases at a time have maybe a couple dozen. It is on the rise.
But I think there is a panic going on right now. And the response to the panic is to push for forced vaccination.
And what I’m telling you is—I don’t think that’s going to work.
That panic and forcing the vaccine is not going to stop vaccinated people from spreading it to one another.
Host:
All right, Lance. He’s got about two minutes before he has to go. Go ahead, I know you had a question.
Lance:
All right, this is it. This is like having the free doctor’s visit. This is great for us, Gene.
So all right, 34.5 million people have had COVID. I’m one of them.
And so I’m told that the antibodies that are in people that have already had COVID significantly impact the necessity and the urgency of having to have the vaccine.
Question number one: is there people getting the Delta variant that already have the antibodies?
Just—that’s, I guess, part of my main idea there—is what do you think?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
So far, what we know is natural immunity is robust, complete, durable.
Delta variant is not infecting the naturally immune. There aren’t any significant case reporting of this. It looks terrific.
Even if the antibodies have waned—if someone’s had a clinical case like you of COVID—you were sick, you had a positive test, even if the antibodies go away, the clinical event and having that history in your immune system, that’s what’s protecting you.
You have complete immunity. I had it too.
There’s absolutely no reason for us to take the vaccine.
In fact, the FDA and the companies, they excluded people like us from the randomized trials.
They knew the vaccines would not benefit individuals.
And there’s three studies showing if you vaccinate in somebody who’s already had the infection, you cause harm.
So it’s clear—under no circumstances should a COVID-recovered person with a solid history like you ever receive the vaccine.
Host:
Ay vey. How about the government employees?
Listen—how about those 4 million government employees who had COVID, that right now have to be forced to take a vaccine?
Dr. Peter McCullough:
I think that’s a violation of their own rights.
Yeah, if the federal government has a fair exemption process, they’ll completely exempt individuals who are COVID-recovered.
Because they were excluded from the clinical trials.
Keep in mind that pregnant women, women at childbearing potential—even people with antibodies who didn’t have a solid case—they were all excluded from the registrational trials.
So a COVID mandate can never mandate the vaccine in groups that weren’t studied in the clinical trials because it’s not safe.
It’s not good clinical practice.
In fact, these are investigational vaccines. And when a person approaches a consent form, they need to realize that consent form says that the vaccine is optional, it’s voluntary, and that it can’t be mandated.
Host:
All right. Dr. Peter McCullough—sir, we want you back soon.
You’ve just opened up our minds here to so many more options.
Thank you for being on the program. I know you’ve got a lesser-known network you need to go be on their program as well, but thank you for stopping by.
Dr. Peter McCullough:
Thank you.
