The fight over the AI EO and the AI moratorium have become the central battlefield in American politics, and Joe Allen explains why the tech oligarchs are desperate to force national control before states can defend their citizens.

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This clip aired on WarRoom’s evening show on December 3, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Well, you know Natalie, it is a strange world, and my job is to highlight the strangeness. I think I am fit for that. You know, we have talked on the WarRoom for four and a half years about the religion of technology, the way in which everything from artificial intelligence to the… that soon the highest power on earth will be a machine. Now, we have shown the audience, the Warren Posse is well familiar with all of the cast of characters who have pushed these ideas, and this is just the latest expression of it.

You have Jensen Huang, head of Nvidia, all over the White House trying to push his agenda, talking about how ninety percent of the world’s knowledge will be generated by AI in the next two or three years. Whether or not one believes that or not, and I certainly do not believe that to be true, it shows you that the fundamental impulse that these guys are running on. The impulse is for replacement. We talk about the great replacement of immigrants taking low level jobs. This is the greater replacement in which, if their vision comes true, AI replaces first coders, then white collar jobs, and then eventually all blue collar jobs. Total replacement, leaving us all on the dole.

Robot Natalie interviewing the robot vice president of Taiwan, and I do not think that is any kind of replacement we want. And I thought it was very important to, you know, Joe Rogan in a recent interview. He said things like this before. He kind of represents, I think, the stoner tech bro wing of the technological spectrum. And he is talking about AI generating Jesus or Jesus returning as AI. It is certainly not new to him. It is an idea that, in fact, goes back well over one hundred years in its seed form, but it is coming to expression.

The population is being conditioned to see artificial intelligence, yes as a tool that you are supposed to use, but of course that uses you. But ultimately there is a progression of seeing AI as a tool and then a teacher, the highest authority on what is real. AI as a companion, your most trusted companion, to whom you can tell all secrets. AI as a creature that is like a living being, perhaps conscious. And then AI as a God. This is not something that I simply made up. I am only observing what is happening and trying to communicate this to the posse and anyone else who is willing to hear it out, because if your country has been taken over by any religious system, you are going to want to know that this is the case.

If it were Muslims, it would be very important for the future of the United States. If it were communists, it would be very important for the future of the United States. Even if you do not believe what they believe, if they are in power, then that belief system will trickle down through the laws, through the companies, and even through the military of that nation. These people believe, by and large, that there is no God, but that they can build one.

NATALIE WINTERS (HOST): And Joe, I guess I am just curious. I mean, I think the WarRoom has always been ahead of the curve, mainly because of the work that you have done, that this is what the thing itself is. This is where they have always been progressing. But, you know, why have they tried to mask these real intentions so much. And why now does it seem like there is this massive media push where it is a little more transparent what is going on?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): You know Natalie, I do not think they really masked it so much. It was just that no one really took it. Until ChatGPT was released, artificial intelligence was basically a dream. And it still is a dream in its biggest, in the most ambitious forms. But until ChatGPT was released and until students began using it to write papers, until people began to turn to it for companionship and for vital information, medical, psychological and otherwise, nobody really took seriously the idea that you would have a nonhuman mind that would be of any use or would be impressive in any way.

And now we see eight hundred million weekly users at ChatGPT, some portion of the three point five billion users at Meta, six hundred thousand users on X, however many of them use Grok, on and on. And you see the real consequences of this. And I think that the real importance of understanding the belief system behind the companies, behind the executives who run the companies, is as they push for AI amnesty, as they push for a moratorium on state level laws. That is to benefit not the people in those populations, but the idea of a moratorium itself is to keep states from impeding the national AI agenda, which, by and large, is a vehicle for people like Jensen Huang, people like Mark Andreessen, people like Sam Altman, people like Elon Musk, all of whom believe that to some degree or another, the highest power on earth will be a machine. The highest power will be an AI.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Well, you know, last night we found out that the moratorium language, the AI amnesty language, is most likely not going to appear in the NDAA. That is solely due to the WarRoom Posse and all their counterparts who put is that if California passes a law that makes AI woke, then America will fall behind the world because China will produce, I presume, non woke AIs under CCP rules, and the entire AI industry will crumble because you are not able to get an answer out of it that is against the lib dictates on race and gender and sexuality.

I do not buy that for a second. For one thing, all of these AI models, for the most part, including Grok, are what is colloquially called woke. So I do not really see how much impact that is even going to have. The other argument is that if the United States has a patchwork of state laws, AI companies are not going to be able to train and release their products in step with other countries, even though we have led the way on this entirely and they are still trailing behind. And so for the sake of the American economy, which is pegged on all this speculation on AI, even for the sake of national security, we need to have a federal framework that preempts all state laws.

Okay, then you are going to have to present a detailed and coherent federal framework, whether it be standards or legislation or any form of regulation, so that we know that all of the damages, all of the things that we have seen from children who have basically melted their brains with AI, and some of them who have taken their own lives at the urging of AI, as we see first coding jobs and then white collar jobs disappear. And as we contemplate what the people who are pushing for all of this are talking about, which is the rise of artificial general intelligence, a sort of human level intelligence that will lead eventually into superintelligence, a kind of godlike intelligence that will erase all economic value of every human being on Earth. Humans will have nothing to do but sit on a roller coaster ride called the singularity and observe as the machines do all the meaningful work.

That is the position of the people who are being defended by David Sacks, by Sri Ram Krishnan, the people who are being defended by the Leading the Future PAC, which is at around 100 million to support pro AI candidates, founded by Marc Andreessen, founded by Greg Brockman of OpenAI, Joe Lonsdale of Palantir. The entire argument rests on the notion that America must stay first in AI. America must be the leader. Well, we are the leader. And these companies have run roughshod over the American psyche. They are poised to run roughshod over the American economy. And they are driven by a quasi religious or overtly religious belief that a machine will soon be the highest authority on what is real, the highest power, also known as the machine will be a god.

So if they are going to defend transhuman or post human ideas as the golden age for America, they should be a lot more explicit about it. They should openly say we are defending Elon Musk, who says that superintelligence or some form of AI will do all of the decision making in the future. We are going to defend Sam Altman, who says very much the same and even includes a biometric identity protocol, WorldCoin, so that human beings can be identified as human on the internet. We are going to defend Mark Zuckerberg, whose company openly stated that its AI companions could seduce children as young as eight years old. We are going to defend them against the American people, rather than defend the American people against these people who are deploying predatory technologies, because that is the golden age we envision.

That is what I call on David Sacks to openly articulate and defend. If you are going to push a new American golden age, you are going to have to be honest about what it means.

Now let us imagine that David Sacks does not believe that superintelligence is going to arrive. Let us imagine that David Sacks does not believe that all jobs are going to be replaced. Well, all of the companies that he is defending are led by people who are saying either exactly that or very similar things to that. So that means that he believes that all of these companies are pushing a bunk product. If that is the case, then he needs to own up to the fact that America’s golden age is pegged to a lie, a very lucrative and powerful lie, but a lie nonetheless.

And until we have some kind of federal framework, a detailed federal framework that openly puts American people’s interest above the companies who are pushing this, then you have to let states determine their own futures. You have to let states put up shields to defend the children of their states, to defend the adults of their states, to defend the rights of the citizens in those states, whether it is from surveillance or replacement or psychological manipulation or worse.

And so if Trump, if President Trump signs this executive order, he will incur the outrage of everyone who believed in him to defend legacy Americans against not only immigrants, but the tech companies who are probably a greater threat to their jobs and to their rights. President Trump, I believe, wants to defend Americans, but he is being cajoled and pushed into a situation in which I think the argument is that if America does not go forward with this AI revolution at the behest of the tech oligarchs, then America will fall to China.

I do not think that he is being led into this with, let us say, integrity and good intentions. It would seem to me that the dreams of a techno future have taken precedence over the American people, certainly over the will of the American people. If you look at the Pew polls, 50 percent of Americans believe that AI is eroding social norms, eroding social connections, and eroding creativity. If you look at the Edelman Trust Barometer, a full 50 percent of Americans say they would like to just simply reject AI outright.

And if you look at the recent poll conducted by the Institute for Family Studies in partnership with YouGov, they found that only 18 percent of Americans want an AI moratorium, meaning the vast majority of Americans, Republicans, Democrats, and all of us strange ones in between, do not want an AI moratorium. We want our states, our local governments, to have the right to say no or have the right to at least limit what we say yes to.

I believe that President Trump wants to serve the American people. I hope that he has the wisdom not to sign an executive order that goes completely against the will of his constituency. And he will stand up and do the duty of a leader, which is to protect the people from predatory power, not protect predatory power from the will of the people.

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