STEVE BANNON (HOST): I want to set the framework for this because we’re going to have Reagan Reese from the Daily Caller joining us. She’s written a brilliant piece about what happened in Indianapolis. For the WarRoom Posse, there are two predicate fights that are happening right now that tee up ’26 and beyond.
One is the redistricting, the support from President Trump. He’s seen the Republican establishment fight that tooth and nail. Indianapolis was a perfect example. And you have the war of the populist nationalists. They’re trying to put some feelers out, olive branches, saying, hey, can’t we all work together? Give me a minute on that before we go to break.
You heard Josh Petit say behind the scenes they’re devouring every green space they can, including municipal golf courses. But right now, David Sacks and others, whether it’s Tucker Carlson, yourself, the WarRoom, they want to say, can’t we just have a group hug and work it out, sir?
JOE ALLEN (GUEST): The group hug would involve me inviting robots into my home to rub my feet, write my essays, and do all of my media hits, which in some ways might be appealing.
What Jason Calacanis, if I’m pronouncing his name right, what Jason Calacanis is talking about is ultimately how to replace everyone and keep the population placated.
They talk about artificial intelligence as if it’s a force of nature. We heard the same sorts of talk around mass immigration. It’s not a force of nature. Artificial intelligence is human beings harnessing the forces of nature to their own ends, and their ends are diametrically opposed to ours.
STEVE BANNON (HOST): Joe Allen, the fight now, because people have to understand, the EO basically sets up a fight over getting into this legislation, getting into the federal part of this. Because President Trump laid out the framework, not just the four Cs, but broader things about exactly what’s going on, etcetera. We’re going to get massive pushback from the tech.
Give me your assessment.
JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yeah. What I’m saying, Steve, is basically an attempt to placate is the only word that I can really apply to this. They want to placate the rage that people feel when they hear tech CEOs talking about creating AIs to replace them, create AIs to rule over them, offer them brain computer interfaces as something that would allow them to somehow participate in this world. Some sort of empowering device that would allow them to somehow participate in this world.
For instance, Jason Calacanis, in another part of the podcast that we just heard, where, to my surprise, Alex Wilhelm from TechCrunch actually defended my argument. But we heard earlier in the podcast Jason Calacanis talking about how in the future, near future, people could use Neuralink to directly participate in Disney’s stories. You know, Disney and OpenAI just partnered.
And this is the sort of dream world that they live in. They live in a world in which machines will be the highest authority on what is and isn’t real, what is and isn’t good, and what is and isn’t beautiful. And they are imposing it on the rest of the population.
People talk about it in terms of choice. There is a choice on the personal and communal level, and to some extent there’s a choice on the institutional level.
But we see more and more companies forcing their employees, and even their executives, to use AI. For instance, Vista Equity forces all of their acquisitions to prove a certain amount of use of AI in order to keep the capital.
So this isn’t as if they’re offering some sort of great product and saying, oh look, the Luddites and the populists are afraid of our new technology, just like the light bulb, just like the telegraph, and so forth.
They’re the CEOs behind the biggest artificial intelligence projects. The four frontier AI companies are openly talking about replacing any human being possible in the white collar and blue-collar sectors.
They’re talking about replacing any human being possible in the white collar or blue-collar sectors.
And their ultimate goal is to create a digital being that will be the authority on what is and isn’t real, aka a sand god. Yeah, we’re pissed. Imagine that.
STEVE BANNON (HOST): And we’re going to fight like hell. So don’t think anybody’s placated.
