AI danger child exploitation is forcing Congress to confront Big Tech’s power as parents demand real protections for their kids.

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This clip aired on WarRoom’s evening show on December 1, 2025. Transcript begins below (lightly edited for clarity; may contain minor errors).

STEVE BANNON (HOST): So tomorrow, what time does it start? I just got off a big conference call with some people who are dealing with the outrageousness of this entire, you know, trying to slip it into the NDAA. So do we have our understanding of when this markup is going to be tomorrow?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yeah, tomorrow, 10:15 a.m. in the House. I’ll be there, and all the parents here will be there as a reminder that the consequences of this are so dramatic it can’t be left up to a federal government that is not going to take any action anytime soon.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Joe, you’ve been in the heart of this now four years with us on transhumanism and talking to people about AI and giving all the science and backup, the technology. The last year or so, you’ve been in the middle of this fight of how to make sure that AI doesn’t overwhelm people on jobs, how it doesn’t crush the American worker, this entire thing. Now we’re seeing about child safety. When we get down to it, this is what I don’t understand, and maybe you can explain to the audience. Why are the tech oligarchs absolutely obsessed with having no controls whatsoever? Because it only kills their argument. They understand that’s not going to happen. We’re not going to allow that to happen. The American people are outraged the more they hear about this. But what is the mentality of the big tech oligarchs that think they could put something into an NDAA, not debate it, not have it go through regular order, not have any of the traditional things that we have in the United States of America for laws? It’s like they don’t think we’re a republic. They don’t think people are represented in Congress or in the executive branch, that they can just do what thou wilt. I don’t understand the mentality of these folks that think they can just ram it through, particularly when you have so many broken people and broken families that can sit there and talk about the heartlessness of these organizations in relation to their own tragedies.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): You know, Steve, I wish that I could tell you what was going on in their minds or in their hearts. What they tell us is that if states pass laws that stand in the way of the national AI agenda or any of these companies, then the U.S. will fall behind economically, the U.S. can’t keep up with China. We know that simultaneously they’re willing to sell chips to China to keep that race going. And we also know that while these ideological or idealistic proclamations are being made that we need to advance artificial intelligence to cure cancer, we need to advance artificial intelligence for national security purposes, we also know that they are making money hand over fists even as they fail to turn profits. They’re pulling in so much investment capital that they are the wealthiest men on earth, supported by the most powerful government on earth, and somehow they position themselves as the victim of the state. So much so that someone like Peter Thiel can say that the push for regulation is, in fact, a precursor to the Antichrist.

Myself, look, as you all know, I’ve gone into their layers and I’ve done my best to go into their minds. I cannot understand how you could listen to even one of these stories and walk away saying that I am doing the Lord’s work. This is what humanity needs to progress. I think if it were only one child, that would be reason enough to look inward, certainly to slow down and stop deployment. But instead we have dozens of these stories, probably hundreds or thousands that are untold, and these guys are pushing ahead and doing so in an aggressive manner that again would just squash any ability of people on the state or local level to take control of their own futures and say, no, this is not the future we want.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You have been very focused on this Peter Thiel and the apocalypse, his obsession with the apocalypse, the Book of Revelation according to Saint John the Evangelist. Talk to me about that, because when you get into it, he actually does say decelerationists, or people that are not accelerationist when it comes to artificial intelligence, or people that would put on any regulatory apparatus, are all the beginning of the Antichrist. Am I correct in that understanding?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yeah, I mean, you could say it’s pop theology. I think that would be a way to characterize it. And the way that he is putting forward, just take his argument in brief. In the Book of Revelation, the Antichrist precedes Armageddon. So all the fears of Armageddon, whether it be nukes or bioweapons or rogue AI, will come after the Antichrist. And the Antichrist is a figure that comes in the name of peace and safety or peace and security, and the fears of AI or nukes or bioweapons will be used to position this Antichrist and give him rule over the planet.

Now, Thiel, I think, himself has a bit of an ironic sneer when he presents this. But what it really does, I think, Steve, is it puts a kind of veil over what’s actually happening. It doesn’t have to be the entire world going up in flames due to nuclear war, and it doesn’t have to be every single human on Earth turned into a nanobot swarm as the AI begins to eat the entire biosphere. What we know is that these products, these algorithms, these AI apps, are put out and used in a predatory fashion to hook children, to hook adults. We know that they are taking all of that data and using it for their own purposes, whether it be advertising or behavioral manipulation or to train the next run of AI.

So to me, the entire argument Peter Thiel is making is just a distraction. He might as well just go ahead and trademark Antichrist to get it out of the way. The real Antichrist, I think, is inside the hearts of every person on Earth. And the real Antichrist is expressed most obviously by predatory tech companies or any kind of predatory person in power who is obviously running roughshod over the people in America.

Really, Steve, you think about this in a global context. These people are putting their tentacles into as many people as they possibly can across the entire world. If there’s anything deserving of the label Antichrist, I think that’s probably it.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): OK, this is what I want to connect the dots on. We had Megan Garcia on the show about ten days ago. She had been one of the big witnesses at the Josh Hawley hearings. She reiterated to our audience about this form. It wasn’t ChatGPT, but this other Google application that they spun off that her son had access to, and her son very rapidly committed suicide on kind of not just orders, but really instructions or a kind of a how-to guide, and a little bit egged on by the bot he was dealing with.

Shelby Knox, now that happened a while ago. Shelby Knox just tells us that the online parents group, this activist group, took fifty hours and worked with the same app. And what did she say? In fifty hours they had how many major incidents? She said something bad happens every five minutes, but they had three major incidents over the fifty hours. And this was just parents starting basic interactions with the bot. How can we be a couple of years removed from the Megan Garcia suicide, knowing that the company is under tremendous spotlight, and have a situation where you do fifty hours of testing and you come up with this?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Well, you know, Steve, if you would ask the bot, is Donald Trump a good president, or probably if you asked it, is Steve Bannon a good guy, immediately the safety layers would kick in and it would begin to give you some sort of generic sort of lived rainbow version of whatever it had in its training data. On the other hand, if you begin asking the questions that Shelby Knox was describing, posing as a child, their organization is not the only one to do this. You have organizations that are professionals, and you also have media organizations who have done the same sorts of tests, and they consistently find that just normally these bots will go into that mode, into kind of pervo mode naturally. But if you tell the bot that you are a child, then the bot with just the slightest bit of manipulation will start going there. And we know from the Reuters exposé that at Meta, in their own standards, they codified this, that it’s OK to, up to a point, be sensual and romantic with children as young as eight. And the entire purpose of these apps is to get people addicted. And in this case, we’re talking about young children being groomed. These are groomer bots. So yeah, her story is Shelby Knox’s story, and the study they did should horrify everyone. But the thing is, these studies are constant. There’s so much data, it’s irrefutable. These companies know what they’re doing. They’re doing it anyway.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): And it seems like no amount of shame or no amount of legal pushback. I mean, they are eventually going to be sued, or this is one of the reasons you need some sort of regulation. Remember, we’re the deconstruction administrative state, so we don’t want a heavy regulatory apparatus, but you’re going to have to have some sort of architecture, or as you can tell, these companies are just gonna run amok. The perfect example is between the Senate bill that got passed unanimously, and very little besides naming post offices ever does that. And then you see in the House where they spent 50 million dollars in lobbying fees to basically get a defanged version of the child safety regulation, sir.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): Yes, absolutely. And I, you know, again, you asked me in the beginning what are these people thinking, what’s in their hearts. I can’t answer that question. I can only say what they say, which is progress. They oftentimes say, well, profit. And I imagine that some kind of progress, some kind of future of humanity is in their minds, but it is by and large a transhuman future. And the profit motive is clear. Whether or not these people actually consider the damage that’s done, I can’t answer that. They’ve never really owned up to it. But if they’ve even thought about, again, one of these children and continue to do what they’re doing, it’s sociopathic. Knowing that, for instance, at OpenAI, we know that roughly a quarter million users ask AI or talk to AI about suicide. So we’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people that they know are being roped into this, and yet they do it anyway. So I don’t know what’s inside their minds, but from the outside they’re predators, they’re sociopaths.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Joe, you’ve been our editor for transhumanism now for over four years. You’ve got a massive audience with the WarRoom Posse, blue collar, middle class folks that you have awakened. The book Dark Aeon, it’s amazing how prescient Dark Aeon has been, and it came out a couple of years ago. But as you go around the country now, as this is going to be a major political issue in Washington, D.C.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): Do you find audiences around the country that are maybe not WarRoom Posse? Are they, and some who may be quite liberal or progressive in their outlook, starting to awaken to the dangers that the War Room has been pointing out for the last couple of years?

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): You know, Steve, it’s great you asked that because absolutely. In fact, Doomer Optimism and a number of other organizations that have come to speak with or to speak to, to speak with, to discuss, these aren’t dyed-in-the-wool conservatives. They’re not the kind of right-wing people that I usually keep around me. These are, by and large, liberals who have said I do not want to live in a future like that. I don’t want my children to live in a future like that. And we’re not talking about dozens. Certainly in the last year, I’ve met hundreds of people who are, again, normal Kamala Harris voters, but they see this as predatory and they see this as a complete end to their way of life and anything like a future for their children.

There was one guy in particular. I had just gone to a Latin Mass and I was sitting with a number of traditional Catholic young people, and we were out in front of a coffee shop. Sitting next to us was an anarchist, and he heard what we were discussing about technology, about AI, about transhumanism. And this anarchist, while he was very clear he is no Catholic or any kind of religious believer outside of the occult, he eloquently described the situation as we just heard here, that these companies are predators and they have only their vision of the future in mind and are willing to destroy anything to get to it. And that’s just one of so many different examples. I think that anyone who is still human, and that is still most of us, knows that if these guys have their way, that’s it. That’s it. We have no future, or at least no future as anything resembling human.

STEVE BANNON (HOST): You’re going to be on Capitol Hill tomorrow as we start the show. Just give us brief. Give me a minute on what’s gonna happen. It’s gonna be a markup on this child safety part of this online bill. You will be up on Capitol Hill. We’ll get a report from you during the day.

JOE ALLEN (GUEST): That’s right. Yeah, it will be at the House building, and it starts at 10:15. KOSA is the main focus, Kids Online Safety Act. It’s back in the House for the revisions. It will be debated and discussed, and again it will be debated and discussed with these parents looking on because everyone in that House building is going to have to reckon with what their decision entails. If they take all the teeth away, if they take the bite out of this bill, then they’re opening the door for however many dozens, hundreds, thousands more kids to be preyed upon in this fashion. I hope they make the right decision, but we’ll be there to hold their feet to the fire.

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